on the Doctrine of God’s Immutability or Something that Made my Brain Flip Over in My Head

I am doing an attributes study of God’s character right now and found this quote very, very helpful.

“The doctrine of God’s immutability is of the highest significance for religion. The contrast between being and becoming marks the difference between the Creator and the creature. Every creature is continually becoming. It is changeable, constantly striving, seeks rest and satisfaction, and finds rest in God, in him alone, for only he is pure being and no becoming. Hence, in Scripture God is often called the Rock…” Herman Bavinck – The Doctrine of God

Doesn’t this stuff just make you brain flip over in your head? It makes mine do that.

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    • james f
    • August 4th, 2009

    In a changing world, immutability is a disadvantage. As technology improves, for instance, it’s the immutable business that goes bankrupt. All religions are like immutable businesses, and they are consequently being damaged by being stuck in the dark ages while the internet is constantly chipping away at whatever undignified authority they have … Read Moreleft in the lives of modern people. I in fact hope to see the same go for big government and even big business too. People need to get with the times or they’ll go under too, as hopefully a globalized recession is showing people of all different strokes of life.

    • Josh G
    • August 4th, 2009

    Amen
    “Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and your dominion endures throughout all generations.” Psalm 145:13

    • James f
    • August 4th, 2009

    If God is truly in control of all things and yet is inanimate (a necessary requirement for being immutable), then all things should be inanimate as well.

  1. James, I don’t know you, so I don’t mean to be harsh. But that makes no sense whatsoever. You’re putting so many physical attributes on what you define as god. You can’t do that.

    • James F
    • August 4th, 2009

    Have you ever seen an object that doesn’t change and yet is still animate?

  2. Thank you for proving my point. Have you ever “SEEN GOD”. No, no man has. Therefore he works within a completely different set of laws. I’m guessing that a 2D object cannot in any way fathom the concept of depth, but that doesn’t not make it cease to exist. If you’re going to be willing to talk about something that cannot be seen, then you … Read Morehave to be willing to allow that something to abide by different laws than you do. You obviously, are not ready to make that leap, but that leap is required. Therefore, you comment makes no sense.

    • danny G
    • August 4th, 2009

    Malachi 3:6 ” I the Lord do not change ”

    and here are some verses that speak to God being alive…
    Deuteronomy 5:26
    Matthew 16:16… Read More
    2nd Corinthians 6:16
    Hebrews 4:12

    And Matt is right, God is not in our plane of existance, we know this because He is eternal (Isaiah 43:13, Isaiah 9:6, 1st Timothy 1:17, Heberws 9:14).
    And Flat out does not live on or in the realm of earth (Isaiah 66:1, 1st Corinthians 15:40, Psalm 104:5, John 8:23, 1st Corinthians 15:42-47).

    • James F
    • August 4th, 2009

    If God never changes or was somehow outside of spacetime then that would preclude him from transforming into Jesus and walking amongst people, it would also preclude him from changing back into God and being outside of spacetime once again too.

    • Josh G
    • August 4th, 2009

    “In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John chapter 1)
    No change. Just incarnation of the second person of the trinity.

    • James F
    • August 4th, 2009

    “John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.” … that constitutes a change. Anyhow, the whole thing is an absurdity. This kind of fantastical thinking is why many people view it as a myth, much like Zeus on Mt. Olympus or Thor. If I told you the closet monster dwells among us then you’d think I’m nuts, well I think John here is nuts for thinking God bacame flesh and walked amongst us.

    • Josh G
    • August 4th, 2009

    There is historical proof of Jesus existing, so the absurdity is trying to compare Him to Zeus or other super heroes.

    • Danny G
    • August 4th, 2009

    The context of the word “change” in Malachi 3:6 deal with Gods attributes, and promises…what pleases him and dis-pleases him.
    We see in scripture that Christ “emptied Himself” of glory and position in heaven to dwell here. He was “sent” by the Father. Scripture also teaches God the father, God the son, and the Holy Spirit exist one and together. … Read MoreGod did not stop being God when he emptied Himself and came to earth in the flesh. If you continue reading in John, and I pray that you do, you will see tons of verses that talk about the simultanious existance of one. fully man and fully God

    • james F
    • August 5th, 2009

    osh, there is a historical aspect behind all mythologies. For example, Zeus is commonly believed to have dwelt upon Mt. Olympus, a real mountain in Greece, in fact people believed they were observing his lightning bolts anytime there was a storm. That story existed for a span of a thousand years before the story of Jesus began to replace it. … Read MoreThere are pieces of the story of Jesus, Moses, Solomon, Jonah, and all the other Judea-Christian characters that have historical aspects to them, but there are quite a lot of elements for each and every one of them that qualify their stories as being just as mythical as the Egyptian and the Greek legends

    • danny G
    • August 5th, 2009

    I use the bible because it searches and reveals the mind of God. The God of all creation tells us through the word what is true about man, Himself, and the world.

    • Josh G
    • August 5th, 2009

    So, James, does anything miraculous or supernatural qualify as a myth to you. Why are you so interested in proving that it is a myth? I see that you are facebook friends with a couple of my Christian friends, so I don’t see you as someone who is hateful toward Christians. I am just curious why you feel the need to make a mockery of a lot of the … Read Morethings that Russ puts up. You obviously aren’t interested in believing it yourself. From the time of Jesus’ ministry on earth, people have tried to supress the truth of Him. Why? There are four eyewitnesses or acquaintances to eyewitnesses of Jesus’ life who wrote about it. They were written to different crowds emphasizing different aspects of his life. They do not bring each other into doubt unless you force them to erroneously. I want you to know that I am praying for you, James. Your comments don’t rattle me as a Christian; they affirm the truth that the message of the cross is foolishness to a fallen world. Thanks for reading and being real

    • james F
    • August 5th, 2009

    Josh, I’m just being the ying to the yang that I grew up with, that’s all. If that goes unappreciated then I suppose I should stop huh? However, I do figure that an opposing viewpoint is always healthy.

  3. Josh, I’m glad that James is being honest with us about where he is. God is a big boy and can handle his stuff. James, in light of that I would as you to reconsider your upbringing and the bible and the God of the bible one more time.also I am very thankful for guys like James because every time my stuff is week and I know he’ll bust me on it. additionally, he brings lots of good objections and we have a dialogue about truth and I think that we all benefit from that.

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